This is a continuation of the earlier posts:
Dutech Holdings – What’s Next? Realize $117k Profit, Hold Or Add More? (Part I)
Massive FY16Q4 For Dutech Holdings – Digging Deep To Understand The Impact Of Metric Group Acquisition (Part II)
In Part III, I will be sharing mainly on what are the happenings in the industry that would affect Dutech Holdings’ immediate – mid term prospects, as well as some of the potential risks/headwinds that the company may face. (Yes, every investment must be prospective. Only focusing on the good news and ignoring the potentially bad news, reminds me of the old radio advertisement “Hear only the good stuff”)
As with all trilogies, the best part is always the last installment…
Most of this stuff is new, as in I don’t think anybody has noticed or discussed it in detail, particularly in relation to Dutech’s prospects.
Yet, if anything at all, this post is going to illustrate the major catalysts for Dutech going forward. It is, IMHO, revolutionary and illuminating. Do tell me if you agree or disagree after reading.
The share price has actually risen somewhat since my Part I post on Dutech. I have had at least a couple of readers who have emailed me to congratulate me, saying that my analysis has moved the share price.
Well, as flattered as I am, I can tell you guys that’s simply not true. I don’t think we’re giving the markets enough credit. This is simply a coincidence, and in fact, most of my other posts seem to have the immediate opposite effect, if I’m being honest.
In any case, I’m talking about longer term, and much larger gains than a few % points. (Of course if I can get the much larger gains without the “longer term” part, I won’t complain…)
Anyway, from TA perspective, (and I’ll again put a disclaimer here that I use very very simplistic TA rules, just 50 and 150 DMAs without any of the complex jargon), the rise is now considered a “bullish trend”, having risen substantially above both DMAs, and on relatively solid volume, with the averages trending upwards too.
I don’t think of using TA the way normal TA practitioners do. Rather, I am just trying to preempt the guys using TA, it’s essentially a barometer of sentiment (even then, not always a very accurate one) and I usually spend a grand total of at most 5mins to take a look.
Merger Of Diebold And Wincor
In late Nov, Diebold and Wincor Nixdorf, the 2nd and 3rd largest safe manufacturers globally, combined in a $1.8billion deal to form the largest player in the industry.
Prior to the merger, Dutech supplies >50% of the safe orders from Diebold and Wincor. Hence, this merger is of great significance to Dutech.
The merger has many synergies, the most obvious of which is geographical. Diebold dominates the US markets, while Wincor dominates the European markets. Post-merger, Diebold Nixdorf will have a 35% share of the global ATM market, while what used to be the largest player, NCR Corporation, will now have around 25% of the market.
Since Diebold and Wincor are 2 major clients of Dutech, I thought it’d be good to understand more about their merger, the happenings of the company and what the future plans are post-merger.
Global Move Away From Hardware Towards Software And Services
Following the merger, Diebold Nixdorf has indicated that the company’s future direction would be towards providing the software and services, with less emphasis on the actual hardware.
This is reflected in their financials as well:
Here are Diebold Nixdorf’s latest financials. As we can see, under the financial self-service division, revenue from services has risen 41.7%, far exceeding the growth in products. The company has also recently announced new service contracts with several major banks in US to provide servicing and maintenance for their ATMs, including many ATMs that were not manufactured or installed by Diebold Nixdorf.
The retail division is something new, following the merger. Diebold Nixdorf now works with retail businesses to provide information machines in malls that enhance the retail experience.
This push into software related businesses is, on a net basis, good for Dutech as this means that Diebold Nixdorf will increasingly rely on Dutech to work on the hardware part.
Dutech’s low cost and efficient manufacturing facilities in China will thus likely be kept even more busy as Diebold Nixdorf subcontracts out more of the hardware manufacturing parts to them.
With Dutech being the main supplier for both Diebold and Wincor before their merger, it is highly likely that as the new company sub-cons out the hardware manufacturing part, Dutech will be the 1st in line to win new contracts.
Afterall, there are currently no other large players with Dutech’s UEL and UN certification, as well as Dutech’s low cost production facilities situated in China.
Increasingly, Diebold Nixdorf will focus more on the software that goes into operating the ATMs. This article describes how the company intends to make ATMs even more “high tech”. Expect retinal scans and smartphones linked ATMs in future.
As retail space gets more expensive and valuable, Diebold Nixdorf is also focusing on making the actual ATMs or retail information machines smaller and smaller.
NCR Corporation was the largest player in the ATM space prior to the merger of Diebold and Wincor, and post merger, they are now the 2nd largest globally.
A quick look at NCR Corporation’s results tells me that they too, are focusing on services and software, with less emphasis on hardware.
Why are they all moving towards software?
A slide in NCR Corporation’s latest FS tells us the answer:
As we can see, software division has a 51.1% (what!!) GM rate, followed by services with 21.8%, and finally hardware with 19.9%.
Consequently, software accounts for 64% of NCR Corp’s Q3 2016 Operating Income.
Dutech seems to have taken a leaf out of their playbook, and is growing in the same segment as well.
We can see revenue from the “High Security” segment falling gradually, while the revenue from the “Business Solutions” has grown >6 times in the past 3 years.
Their recent acquisition, Metric, will contribute further to the “Business Solutions” division via the Metric UK branch, which supplies and maintains carpark ticketing and management systems.
I’ve previously in Part II, spoken fondly of the services aspect of Metric UK. This is taken from Metric Group AR15, page 106:
Despite revenue from services rendered for the entire group dropping from 2014 to 2015, Metric UK’s share of revenue under services rendered rose from EUR 10.6mil to EUR 12.4mil.
If Dutech can successfuly win more contracts, the benefits are magnified as they take care of the entire value chain for their clients: from manufacturing of the ticketing machines, to the software that controls the ticketing machines to the maintenance contracts, which provide a nice recurring income.
Currently, Dutech’s “High Security” segment still has higher margins than their “Business Solutions” segment, but a large reason for that is the depressed domestic coiled steel prices. I’m expecting Dutech’s overall margins to come down from these lofty levels, particularly so in the “High Security” segment such that “Business Solutions” will eventually enjoy higher margins than the “High Security” segment.
Death Of Cash?
The other concern that some readers have brought up to me is that the world seems to be going cashless. The newer generation seems to prefer credit and other cashless way of making transactions. Will this mean that ATMs will become obsolete in the future?
I don’t think so.
There may be, probably will be in fact, reduced usage of cash in transactions, but ATMs will always be around. I’m guess they’ll evolve to be points of transactions and not just merely for cash related transactions.
It’s kinda like how they said that the dawn of the internet era would put retailers out of business, and that all businesses in future will be conducted online. Since then, sure some retailers are badly affected, but many have continued to succeed. Bricks and mortar malls continue to pop up.
So on the contrary to such opinion, I think the global ATM market will continue to expand, particularly in some of the less developed countries.
This study agrees with me.
China, which is one of the fastest growing markets for ATM penetration, has seen a rapid increase in installed ATMs:
Large, New Order Contracts For Dutech Soon
OK, this is where it gets exciting for Dutech’s shareholders. There have been some of you who have indicated you’re worried about Dutech’s declining “High Security” revenue.
So was I. “was”.
So I did what I do when I’m worried: I start digging deeper. Otherwise I can’t sleep.
Aside from the fact that it is part of Dutech’s plans to focus on the “Business Solutions”, which by itself is an important point, I am also highly confident that Dutech will soon see new, large orders for ATMs and safes, now that the Diebold and Wincor merger is completed. (well, its not 100% completed because I think there’s still some anti-trust issues to be cleared, but it’s pretty much taken as it is)
Skeptical? Don’t take it from TTI, take it from Diebold Nixdorf’s CEO himself.
This is his response to an analyst’s question during 3Q16 earnings call:
And I quote:
“….. customers were holding off just to make sure that they have a full appreciation of who is their account manager and who they are dealing with…”
“And you can see that a lot of that will come through as orders in Q4 and Q1….”
“…. product side alone, we are currently sitting on a backlog that is substantially north of $1 billion…”
“… I believe that the regional banks in the US will join the party towards the end of 2017, going into 2018…”
Note that this is in his response to a specific question about the ATM business.
How about this other reply from the CFO, also in relation to the most recent earnings call:
“… I would call it roughly $30 million of product revenue that has pushed out of 2016 into 2017 on the hardware side“
Note that this is in response to the North America business only, which is the largest revenue contributor as of 9M16, contributing about 40% of total revenues.
Europe, Middle East and Africa is the next largest component of revenues as of 9M16, accounting for 27%, Latin America accounted for approximately 18%, and Asia Pacific (which includes China), accounted for 15%.
New Orders For NuVinci CVP Transmissions & Further Investments In R&D
Dutech is currently in the midst of securing new orders for manufacturing NuVinci CVP transmissions. The manufacturing is done for Fallbrook Technologies, and the client is reportedly a major European automobile company.
This is what the technology is about, roughly:
Dutech’s collaboration with Fallbrook goes back to 2010, when Fallbrook chose Dutech as it’s manufacturer for this transmissions:
These niche areas provide Dutech with a know-how competitive moat. It is unlikely that lesser manufacturers in China without the engineering know-how can dislodge Dutech. Without the know-how, Dutech’s chinese peers can only compete on price, which is moot as Dutech enjoys the same conditions as them.
And the company is not resting on their laurels. Dutech continues to invest heavily in R&D to be at the forefront of new technologies. Aside from investing in R&D, Dutech has shown that they’re willing to use their cashflows to buy patents that have potential.
This link shows their application to construct a new R&D facility:
(credit to wangnx in Investing Note for bringing this to my attention)
The facility is situated in the proximity of Dutech’s existing 2 production plants, just outside of Shanghai.
I’m not oblivious to potential headwinds that Dutech may encounter. Thus far, there are almost zero instances where the outlook for a company that I have analyzed is so rosy that I can’t find any potential headwinds.
Life always prepares some curve balls around the corner for us.
Some of the more obvious ones have already been described in CIMB’s report, so I’ll just mention it in passing.
Forex is potentially a headache for Dutech, although the consensus currently is that it’ll be favorable. A strong USD and weak RMB is beneficial to Dutech, as it’s revenues are collected in USD while production costs are in RMB.
We all know Trump’s threat to label China as a currency manipulator. Trump wants a stronger RMB. I am not sure if he’d be successful in this aspect. I don’t think the Chinese really allow any outsider to dictate what they want to do with the RMB. But it’s still a potential threat to note. If RMB appreciates substantially against the USD, that’d be a drag on earnings for Dutech.
On top of that, with their recent acquisition, the company will have increased exposure to the pound and euros, although I suspect the impact is still likely to be very minimal.
The other potential risk that’s been mentioned is the rising domestic rolled steel coil prices, which is a major component cost in the manufacturing of Dutech’s products.
As we can see above, particularly in 4Q16, China’s domestic hot rolled coil steel price has been on a tear, and as of the time of writing this, am still rising. Since steel is a major cost component for Dutech, this means that Dutech’s margins for the safes and ATMs will likely come under pressure.
On a bigger picture though, China’s coil steel price is still relatively moderate when looking at multi year data. I can see how forward quarters in 2017 will show stagnant or reduced GPMs due to this though.
I don’t know if the company hedges it’s steel. Someone on Investing Note told me that they do, but there’s no data that I can find. The company doesn’t announce it’s hedging strategies, if any, in their AR either. And that someone who told me couldn’t substantiate either, except to say that he read it somewhere.
So I’ll just assess their material costs at spot prices. Anyway, all these prices, even if they are hedged, eventually flows down to their costs so for a long term investor, it doesn’t really matter.
What I will spend more time discussing here, and this is something that hasn’t been brought up thus far, is the negative impact of China as a risk factor.
Negative Impact Of China’s Regulations On Global ATM Manufacturers
In 2016, China introduced new regulations that prohibit foreign ATM vendors from operating in the country, unless it’s done in collaboration with a domestic partner.
Yup, essentially the chinese government supported domestic ATM vendors by putting insurmountable obstacles to foreign vendors.
This is taken from one of the articles I found regarding the regulations:
New state guidelines influence deployer choices
Domestic suppliers also had a strong year in the wake of guidance from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) regarding “controllable IT”. Controllable IT means that a machine’s parts must be manufactured in China and data must be contained within the country at all times. The 2014 guidelines state that banks should increase the share of “controllable” IT equipment by at least 15% annually from 2015, to account for at least 75% of all IT equipment by 2019.
Gotta love the euphemism: “guidelines”
All these had a substantial impact on all the major ATM vendors: Diebold, Wincor and NCR Corporation.
This is taken from Diebold Nixdorf (the merged entity)’s latest 3Q16 results:
As we can see, growth in revenue in Asia Pacific is 28.7%, which looks like it’s not too bad, but it’s a substantial drop from previously. Previously, AP used to be the largest growth centre, with China showing the most rapid growth in ATM penetration.
Figures from the People’s Bank of China show a total of 866,700 ATMs online in 2015, up 41 percent from 2014. Since 2013, China has claimed first place as the world’s largest market for payment cards and ATMs, according to People’s Bank data.
Market share of the global ATM manufacturers in the China market was growing at a health clip as well before these new regulations halted their growth. In fact, they were all in the top 5 vendor list except in 2015 and 2016, when these new regulations came into play.
I’ll digress here a bit. China is behaving like a big bully these days. Am I the only one who can see that in the various business I have analyzed that have exposure to China? They can terrex anything they like, ignore international court rulings on the South China Sea and whatever obligations they may have signed with WTO regarding free markets.
This move sure doesn’t look like a free market move to me.
The top vendors in terms of market share in China as of 2015 are:
- GRGBanking (27.85 percent);
- Hitachi (13.35 percent);
- Cashway (11.49 percent);
- King Teller (10.94 percent); and
- Yihua (10.82 percent)
The reason how I found out about these new regulations is because I was looking at China as 1 of the growth areas, and this pie chart just doesn’t make sense to me.
You’re telling me that Diebold, Wincor and NCR, the global leading players who have a relatively large portion of their profits put into R&D annually, with their experience and know how, can only garner 3.65%, 1.91% and 1.99% of China’s domestic market?!
It’s essentially an uneven playing field.
GRGBanking is the dominant player with 27.85%. So I dug deeper. Who exactly is GRGBanking?
From wikipedia:“GRG Banking is a Chinese listed state-owned enterprise, specialized in the financial self-service industry. GRG Banking is engaged in R&D, manufacturing, sales and service, software development for ATMs, AFCs and other currency recognition and processing equipment.”
State-owned enterprise. Right. No wonder. Talk about an uneven playing field.
It’s like a Man U vs Liverpool match… where the referee and linesmen are all Man U diehard fans.
BTW, since I’ve compared Dutech’s valuations to Gunnebo’s in Part I, I thought it’d be interesting to take a look at GRGBanking’s as well.
GRGBanking: PER (on 3rd Jan 2017) is 21.11, it’s P/B is 6.16 times.
Here’s the FSs to substantiate the figures above:
Crazily high valuations compared to Dutech’s. And they may have the Chinese government’s backing, but it’s hard to see how they can succeed outside of China whereas Dutech has a fast growing global footprint, with valuations that’s a fraction of the above figures. (P/B is 6.16x !)
Anyway, in response to these chinese regulations, the global players started forming joint ventures with local chinese companies so that they can continue to expand in China. These global players do so by taking a minority stake in a JV, hence putting the control of the JV in the hands of their chinese counterparts.
Diebold formed a JV with Chinese tech company Inspur Group:
While Wincor formed a JV with Aisino Corporation:
This means that the merged entity Diebold Nixdorf, now has 2 JVs with 2 separate chinese groups, both of which they are the minority shareholder.
This sucks for Dutech, as it means that at least with respect to China, Diebold Nixdorf will have to send manufacturing orders to their respective JVs and not utilize Dutech.
From what I’ve read about the details and structure of the JVs, and trust me I have read it all, it basically confirms to me that Dutech will not be seeing new orders from Diebold Nixdorf’s expansion in China.
Digging deeper, this basically confirms my suspicions:
This does not mean that I’m expecting Dutech’s china business to decline. It means that Dutech will not win NEW orders in relation to the growth of Diebold Nixdorf’s ATMs in China.
Most of Dutech’s current sales in China is done in the Free Trade Zone, and the bulk of these are exported eventually anyway.
So in this regard, I’m not predicting a Chinese headwind. I’m predicting the absence of a Chinese tailwind.
Alright, this concludes my updated analysis on Dutech. I intend for Dutech to be a long term core holding, and am not expecting to divest anything anytime soon.
Of course, if Mr Market comes along and offers me a deal I cannot refuse tomorrow, I’ll be inclined to change my statement.
Currently I own 630,000 shares, at an average purchase price of $0.291, having added 30,000 recently at $0.465 and another 30,000 at $0.445.
As always, I welcome thoughts, opinions and anything else you know that I might have missed out.
excellent analysis as always
Good to know that bro TTI’s post is getting more attention. I hope more people will read your detailed analysis and be more into value investing than daily trading (though it’s fun, it surely needs some capital to get started). Small retail investor like me can only go long.
I’m also confident that Dutech is one of the value counter to hold long.
Thanks Bro TTI for the good trilogy on Dutech!
Actually, for SGX listed companies, most people, institutions also mostly go long only. It’s very hard to short successfully because of all the related holding costs.
You need to get the timing right. And we all know the saying “the markets can be wrong longer than you can stay solvent”.
I do very occasionally take on short positions via the use of options for US listed companies, cos the leverage means your direct exposure is much lesser.
By the way, I agree, it somehow looks more and more like a big bully. Not sure how would it proceed, but as long as it’s good for long term investors and doesn’t really cause too much of global turmoil or instability, I think it’s fine. Politic is always very blur and there might be a lot of things we are unaware of. It’s not surprising to learn later that things just turn up to be business as usual too! I’m interested in observing the the progress in global political stage, but I wouldn’t be moved too much by their developments. Sometimes, it just a good show, or sometime, a bad show, which later on someone will go and clean up the mess, somehow, someway, i don’t know…
Yes, I think that should be the way to think about politics.
Politics are way too fluid to put too much emphasis on wrt your investments.
I don’t consider any further chinese gov regulations to be a major risk for Dutech.
Thank you very much for the analysis!
I am investigating on how the Q4 rally of steel prices is going to impact Dutech’s financial performance in Q4 (earning report out next week). As you have mentioned in your recent posting (on LTC) that escalating steel prices is not good for Dutech since it is the major cost driver for the business.
However I don’t think this will impact the Q4 result. Manufacturing / conversion cycle of Dutech’s products will be more than a few months as such by the time the revenue is recognised on the income statement upon delivery of the products, the corresponding cost (to be deducted under COGS) would be the cost of materials purchased a few month prior to the revenue recognition / product delivery assuming that Dutech is abiding by the first in first out principle.
The Q4 steel price steel which may result in hike of raw material purchase cost may potentially result in changes on the cash flow statement (increase in inventory hence negative working capital changes)
Welcome your view!
Yup, it wont show up in the Q4, but prolonged high steel price would impact on margins in subsequent quarters in the next FY.
Essentially, what you are saying is that there’s a lag time between the current spot prices and for the effects to show up in Dutech’s financials.
Depending on how Dutech’s contracts are structured with their clients, sometimes they can have some leeway to raise prices if the raw materials increase in price, but even then, if it at all is possible, they won’t be able to pass the full costs to their clients.
When I mentioned about the rising steel price having an impact, I was referring to the longer term picture, basically for FY17, not the Q4.
Has Dutech released its results? I couldn’t find in internet, except a reference in CIMB’s downgrade of Dutech to HOLD that there was a 41.5% fall in 4Q16 core net profit… what’s your take on Dutech moving forward? Would you be doing a review update based on latest results? Thanks — RK
Dutech released its results a week ago.
For results, it’s best that you get it directly from SGX website:
Just look for Dutech Holdings.
Nothing has changed with regard to my opinion on Dutech. I think FY17 will be a year of consolidation as they turn around Metric and incorporate the business. For FY16, Dutech bought over 2 businesses, both internally funded, and is STILL CF +ve.
The extraordinary gain in FY16Q4 was less than I expected, because Dutech recognized corresponding liabilities from Metric in the form of pension scheme commitments.
Other than that, there wasn’t any surprises in FY16Q4 results.
CIMB downgraded because they think the margins will be compressed from rising rolled coil steel prices.
Even then, their TP is substantially higher than the current price today.
I was intending to do a review, but then I realised I already have a lot of posts on Dutech. So decided not to.
I’m still highly optimistic about Dutech’s prospects going forward though.
I just want to knoe where can you find dutech corporate information besides the SGX website. I have been trying to learn more of this company but realized that they don’t have any company website for a start. And it was very tough learning about this company. I dont very often can find much information about this company latest activities.
That’s cos they didn’t even bother to change the name of their website.
It’s under the Tri-Star group:
Thank you. It helps alot
TTI, I chanced upon your blog and am wow-ed by your depth and meticulousness of analysis
As a “trained” corporate financier, you have impressed and gained a fan in me in the quality of content. You deserve a pat on the back for the manner you articulate your insights and I believe many feel the same
Keep writing! I am saving your options strategy post for a weekend afternoon in the company of good coffee
Thanks for your compliments, it’s much appreciated.
Hi TTI, talking about the china headwind, do you have data the % of China ATM in Dutech’s high security business? Wonder the magnitude of the potential impact
No precise data.
I know that 23% of the total sales for Dutech in FY15, was geographically done in China. But the big bulk of this sales recorded in China, was done within the Free trade zone, (I assume for tax purposes) and most of the end products were exported.
So if you’re talking about the headwinds from Chinese regulations, I don’t think this 23% is affected.
As I described in the post, the chinese regulations would affect the potential revenue from China, not the existing one. So in this regard it’s technically NOT a headwind, but more like the ABSENCE of a tailwind.
Thanks for answering. I am new here, a friend recommended your blog last week, saying every article is worth reading. Really like your investing philosophy and classic value analysis. Hope overtime I can do similar analysis and grow skills.
I just noticed your portfolio had big setback in 2015, more loss than index. Any tips on reason? How did you cope with that?
Thank you for you (and your friend’s!) generous compliments.
The big drop was due to a single US company actually: Valeant.
I got in too early, and got my position sizing wrong.
I still own the company and in fact, have recently increased my position in Valeant this mth.
On hindsight, I misjudged how strong a factor negative sentiment and news can be for US listed companies. It’s quite different from SGX listed ones.
I coped with the large drop by relying on FA. Each time I’d go back to analyze the financials. I still think I’d come out of Valeant eventually with a substantial profit, but I’d be the 1st to admit that it’s a mistake thus far, and it ‘s taking a lot longer than I expected.
Look at your result this year, I am also encouraged by your success. Looking forward to new ideas from you.
Thus far I am encouraged by my result in 2017.
I’m waiting for the end of March (Q1), following which I’ll calculate my XIRR figures and update the performance page again.
I bought some off shore mining stocks like ESV last year, so I noticed Chesapeake Energy in your portfolio. Seems your vested price/timing is perfect. I do have two questions. Thanks for coaching.
Back then when the oil price was at bottom, I believe there was big pressure in the FA side for these companies, otherwise the stock price won’t be so low. How did you get to the conclusion that it was safe from bankruptcy, then make decision to put big stake in the most stressed time? I know this kind of big cycle is one of the few chances in life time to make big gain, however I was not into investment back in early 2016 so wonder if I can grab the chance next time, purely by FA and common sense.
The other question is this stock rose almost 800% already, now the value of 26000 shares is more than your total portfolio value. Is there any mistake in numbers?
I think you’re mistaken.
Chesapeake energy is trading currently at around USD 6, so I am actually in the red in my CHK position.
My confidence in CHK lies in the fundamental data. In the past several quarters, CHK has been cutting costs while maintaining and in fact, growing production. They are drilling longer laterals, and still have tons of assets that are currently not utilised. I don’t think anyone would argue that on a SOTP basis, the company is dirt cheap right now.
The problem is:
1) The price at which they can sell their NG at
2) The amount of capex they need to spend to build more wells.
To put it simply, NG is not going to go away. So logically, in the long run, whoever is the most efficient wins, and CHK has made huge progress in the past 1.5 years.
The portfolio value is accurate. It is not the same as what’s calculated because my US portfolio is skewed by the use of options and leverage.
The figures are also not updated all the time actually.
Hi TTI, any updates on Dutech pending its release of profit guidance?
Hi TTI, any updates on Dutech pending its release of profit guidance?
I think you mean pending the release of earnings. The profit guidance was already released last week.
I have an opinion about Dutech right now, but I havent’ had the time to write a post about it. Will probably do so after earnings release.
In the meantime, I’ve added 100,000 shares of Dutech recently, and now own 730,000 shares.
In the midst of my DD, I’ve also added 2,000 shares of Diebold Nixdorf (US listed)